Oct 2, Flooding of the grand staircase this ending makes me cry everything time. A scene from Titanic, which I've never actually seen. Titanic Ship, Jack and Rose: This is where we first met! . Debi Robinson. The movie depicts the Titanic leaving Southampton in bright sunshine with scattered cloud cover. .. Incidentally, according to Lines, Smith said nothing during the meeting. . However, the end of the scene lacks Smith's parting instruction to his . If the recollections of stewards James Johnson and Annie Robinson are. The end scene of Titanic shows DiCaprio going underwater. Meet the Robinsons. . Could it possibly be that Lily (how i met your mother) is the daugher.
The lovers are reunited in heaven. Beginning at the End Both films begin many decades after their main stories occur. After spending a few minutes in the titular ship under thousands of feet of water, Titanic introduces us to an old woman named Rose Dawson Calvert. When she hears of the deep-sea expedition to the Titanic, she calls the explorers and makes a startling remark about the Heart of the Ocean diamond.Jack's Death - Titanic 1997 HD
In both cases, it turns out that the old woman is the heroine of the story. The Heart of the Ocean and the pocket watch act as MacGuffins in the two films. They get the story going and become minor plot points later in the story. Rose accidentally winds up with the Heart of the Ocean after the Titanic sinks, and Richard accidentally leaves his pocket watch with Elise after he travels back in time to meet her.
The Portrait Rose sees a hand-drawn portrait of herself gazing at Jack Dawson, the man she fell in love with on the Titanic. The portrait managed to survive all these years and it is recovered from a safe in the sunken ship.
Elise has a photograph that was taken of her as she looked lovingly at Richard. In the present day, Richard finds the photo hidden in the antique section of the hotel where they met. The portrait in Titanic inspires Rose to call the explorers and get the plot going.
The photograph in Somewhere in Time inspires Richard to learn more about Elise and he becomes so obsessed that he actually convinces himself he can travel back to the past to get her to fall in love with him. Richard travels back in time by hypnotizing himself to actually believe that he is in the past, not the present. Remarkably, this trick actually works and he is transported back to One thing I will point out is that the people in Titanic act and talk much more like present-day people than the ones in Somewhere in Time.
Stay away from Rose. Later, Richard sneaks into the dinner hall and starts dancing with Elise. The Villain Each villain wants something different from the woman in their life. Cal wants a trophy more than a wife. Both of them ultimately fail in their plans. How did he predict that a man would come and try to destroy Elise? Could he be a time traveler, too? Cal is a much more straightforward villain, serving as a pompous jerk without doing anything particularly evil.
Patience Is a Virtue Cal and Robinson share an interesting characteristic. One night Rose goes down to the steerage section to spend her time drinking and dancing with Jack. The next morning Cal says he expected her to stay with him last night. She makes up an excuse, but he sees through it and tries to scare her out of spending any more time with Jack. One morning, Elise absconds with Richard and they spend the whole day getting to know each other and falling deeply in love.
When they return, Robinson shows up and Elise demands to know if he waited for her that whole time. Does this disturb you? Short Romance In both films, the romance takes place over the course of just a few days. Jack and Rose meet one evening, have dinner the next night, break up the following day, and get back together shortly after that, just in time for the Titanic to sink.
The entire romance lasted about four days. Richard and Elise meet one day, spend the next day together, are forced apart that night and reunite the following morning.
A depressing deleted scene from Titanic has been released
They only get three or maybe four days together. That seems like an incredibly short amount of time to fall in love and for the woman to decide to completely change her life. I find it strange that Elise could feel so empty after losing Richard when she really only knew him for a few days. Plus, she and Jack go through many traumatizing experiences together, nearly dying several times.
These events would definitely forge a long-lasting connection between them. A Matter of Life and Death After the Titanic hits an iceberg, Jack and Rose decide to do the honorable thing and warn Cal of the impending danger they all face.
As part of his plan for revenge, Cal frames Jack to make it look like he stole the Heart of the Ocean. They knock him out and tie him up in a horse stable to keep him away from Elise. They have other people do it for them. Later in Titanic, Cal does take matters into his own hands and chase Jack and Rose with a gun, but he never manages to hit them. He forces them to go deep into the ship where they almost drown; but even if they had drowned he would have only been indirectly responsible for their deaths.
Reunion Rose leaves Cal to hunt for Jack in the bowels of the ship. She finds him by shouting his name and hearing him shout her name in return.
She frees Jack from a pair of handcuffs by hitting them with an ax, barely missing his hands. Elise, on the other hand, looks for Richard but fails to find him the night he disappears. Richard wakes up the next morning in a horse stall and he promptly cuts the rope tying his hands and runs off to find Elise. She sees him first and shouts his name to get his attention. They make love after being reunited. A significant difference here is the timing of the two main characters consummating their love.
Rose and Jack do it before being separated because that heightens the drama and gets the audience invested in seeing them get back together.
Somewhere in Time takes its time and builds anticipation for Richard and Elise to become passionate. Also, Etches says that when he knocked on his door, Guggenheim "had apparently only gone to his room, for he answered the first knock" but then Etches says that he requested his charge to put some clothes on as he would be back in a few minutes.
The lighting is completely wrong as well; lights on open decks and companionways would be extinguished by These lamps would be lit until sunrise. Ice in the well deck Far more ice was deposited on the ship that is depicted in the film. Incidentally, one ill-informed writer at IMDB says that ice would not have been cast on to the real Titanic. Eyewitness testimony contradicts this.
The remainder of the scene is bunkum too: Boxhall, on his own volition, goes down below to assess the damage for himself. Quartermaster Olliver is told by the Captain to find the Carpenter and get him to take a draft of the ship.
In Cameron's Version, the Captain orders "full stop" and another bridge officer goes off to the bridge to comply - presumably this is Moody. A second or two later, we hear the telegraphs ring. Smith and Murdoch go the bridge wing, and after seeing the ice in the well deck, Smith tells his first officer to find the Carpenter; Murdoch acknowledges this and walks off. By the way, look at lifeboat No. The real lifeboats No. Left on the cutting room floor!
In fact, according to the script book, there is no mention of Boxhall whatsoever. And even this line doesn't appear in the script book!! And even this depiction of Boxhall and his boat isn't correct. When Boxhall implores his crew to row faster, the Titanic's stern is towering overhead. This is within minutes of her foundering. At this distance, the Titanic would be a tiny speck on the horizon.
Anyone for a game of footie? Although it is a standard part of the Titanic story that 3rd class passengers played soccer with the chunks of ice seen on deck, Dr.
Washington Dodge reported this incident, and all he says is that the steerage were walking on the ice and kicking it about. Edith Russell wrote, "we noticed a number of stokers who were walking across the lower deck to go go down below - and we heard in walking there was a crunching sound - someone said, 'Why, they are walking on a ground of ice.
It is hard to determine where the water ingress is in James Cameron's version, but one source is above head height! Incidentally, if you look at the DVD and then freeze frame it at this point, you can see that the boiler room already has water in it! A Tight Squeeze Everybody Out! The film depicts Leading Fireman Barrett as helping others through the closing watertight door.
But he testified that only he and an engineer by the name of Hesketh jumped through the door before it shut. The doors took seconds to close, and then, in the last inches, were allowed to drop by gravity, like a guillotine.
Anyone clambering underneath would be likely to be injured! And, apart from water gushing through a hole in the coal bunker, boiler room 5, into which he entered, was dry. Looking at Cameron's film, it would have been drenched. And to escape from boiler 6 to room 5 via the watertight door, you would have to go down a small passage, flanked on either side by the coal bunkers.
In the film, the watertight door leads straight from one room to another! The film depicts all of the firemen leaping for the watertight doors, regardless of whether their boiler room was flooding or not.
This wasn't the case, and many stokers "stayed put. Deceptively calm A small point: He must have taken a peculiar detour. His cabin was on A deck, and to get to the bridge, he would not have had to pass any passenger cabins; passing through a corridor, and walking through the 1st class lounge, and traversing another corridor he would come out at the foyer of the the forward Grand Staircase which he would then ascend.
The Countess's room was on B deck, so Andrews would have to descend one deck before resuming his mission to the bridge. Its believed that the sets were based on those for the Mauretania; as one can see from a real photograph from the Olympic's E deck, there were no carpets just floor tilesno grab rails and no light fixtures on the walls. Except that it didn't happen. Presumably the other officers in the background are engineers; also at the wheel is Hichens, who didn't report this meeting of Smith, Andrews, Ismay et al.
The room in which this meeting takes place is a peculiarity; it is obviously the "Navigating Room" to the starboard side of the bridge, but it should be more rectangular, and lacks a settee. There is also an extra door that goes into a room which did not exist in this location on the real ship; it was through this corridor that Smith entered the bridge after the collision. The door to the Captain's sitting room is also missing. Bear in mind that when Titanic was made, the plans for the Titanic were available for anyone to peruse.
The Goofs of James Cameron's Titanic
Why the bizarre layout is anyone's guess. Incidentally, for someone intimately acquainted with the ship, Thomas Andrews makes a very peculiar mistake: Also, pre-disaster, Harland and Wolff had calculated that the Titanic could stay afloat with any three of her first four compartments breached, and this is what would have been known on April 14th, It wasn't until later when Edward Wilding, the marine architect for Harland and Wolff, and his team performed calculations which showed that the first four compartments could be flooded, and the ship wouldn't have sunk.
He gives them the co-ordinates of the ship: Except that he didn't. When he visited the cabin, he actually gave out 41o44'N, 50o24'W; the famous and incorrect position was given to Marconi operators Phillips and Bride some minutes later by 4th Officer Boxhall. SOS was also used later on. Blowing off steam The passengers have gone back inside, according to Chief Officer Wilde because "it is too damn cold and noisy for them.
However, what is inaccurate is just how noisy the funnels were. And yet, inside the ship, we never hear a peep. The noise also hindered Jack Phillips hearing transmissions from other vessels, and the Marconi office was directly below a funnel! Beesley says that the noise of the steam was like twenty locomotives blowing off steam in a low key. All we hear is the harsh roar of steam in this movie. To be fair, Mrs Warren says that she did not hear the "deafening roar of escaping steam, of which we had not been conscious while inside.
And did the passengers really go back inside because it was too cold? This was a theory that was bandied around in the mid-to-late s and early part of the 21st century and while it is logical, read the accounts of the survivors themselves: The cold, while intense, did not stop people going out on deck - and neither did the noise.
Norman Chambers wrote, "We then ascended to the boat deck by the outside port companion and found no passengers on this side of the ship, although the crew were busy clearing away the forward group of lifeboats. At this time it was utterly impossible to hear any spoken word as the sound of exhausting steam which had appeared to us to be coming from the bow of the ship, was in reality from the forward exhaust pipe, and was well-nigh deafening.
Thinking that perhaps the lifeboats would lower more easily from the starboard side, to which the ship was now listing more noticeably, we passed over the raised central deck and down on the starboard side.
Here we found a number of passengers assembled and, joining them, stood and waited for orders. When I got back crowds of people were standing about. No one seemed excited. Everyone was talking and it seemed the general idea that we would soon be ordered back to bed. Just then an officer came up to us and explained we should go up to the next deck, the boat deck.
By that time nearly everyone was up There was no confusion here even yet, although we noticed that the boat was beginning to list toward the starboard After we had been on the top deck for awhile, considerably more than an hour, the women were told to stand by in a group by themselves and to be ready to get into the lifeboats.
The men drew back and the women stood at the railing. There were only two people, a young French bride and groom, on that side of the boat, and they followed us immediately to the starboard side About five minutes later the boats [ie No.
Crowds came out when they were told to put on lifebelts and head up. Margaret "Molly" Brown also gives another reason why there were so few people on deck: We were approached by an officer and told to descend to the deck below.
We found the lifeboats there were being lowered from the falls and were at that time flush with the deck. Hugh Woolner said that when the order was countermanded, "Very few people had moved, but the few that had gone down the companionway came up again, and everything went on all right.
There is no evidence at all that there was a piano in the lounge. In real life each side had six pieces but in the movie there are twelve. The size and shape of the cork blocks are wrong, too. Also, in his report to the Marconi company, Bride says that he relayed the Carpathia's report to the Captain, who was superintending the loading and lowering of the lifeboats.
In this scene, the lifeboats have barely been lowered to level with the boat deck, and Smith spent most of his time on the port side of the Titanic, not starboard. While it is true that Bride did say that Smith was on the starboard side, there is no mention of anyone else that he was in this location, helping to fill the boats. Bride also says that Smith returned with him to the wireless room.
In the movie, Smith is left alone to survey the busy boat deck, muttering "My God. However, in his autobiography, Lightoller says, before launching the last two lifeboats, he was wearing "a sweater, no coat or overcoat I had long since discarded my greatcoat" and remarked that he was in pants and sweater over his pyjamas.
An article that he wrote for the Christian Science journal in October stated he was also wearing a lijejacket, as was Wilde. The Evacuation Begins Boat 7 is shown as nearly tipping the passengers into the sea, but none of the passengers or crew who testified recalled such an event happening. Boat 5, the one immediately in front of boat 7 did have some mishap; as 1st class passenger George Harder said, the crew "lowered one side quicker than the other.
Both the f'ocsle forecastle and the well deck go under water much too soon. On the real Titanic, they would not be submerged until the very last lifeboats were launched, but on Cameron's Titanic, they go under soon after the first boats are away. Incidentally, on the real Titanic, there was a sign on the breakwaters that advised passengers that they were not allowed forward of that point. The starboard one is circled in a photograph taken by Francis Browne at Southampton.
These signs have been studiously omitted from the version of the ship. With these signs in place, there would be no way for the "I'm the King of the World! However, some people have noted that one photo was taken from a similar location on the Olympic's maiden voyage, so it might be possible. However, the photo did not become public untilso Cameron can't use this as a defence.
And indeed, we do not even know if this picture was taken by a passenger - the camera could have been loaned to a crewman. For in this album is a picture taken from a ladder in front of the funnels - and passengers certainly weren't allowed up there!
The photo can be seen on pages 10 and 12 of the Booth Family Archives The crew's galley skylight on the correct side of the ship here has changed size and position compared to the flyover shot. But this contradicts her own statement, summarised in Archibald Gracie's book thus, "Mrs. Brown was walking away [from the lifeboat], eager to see what was being done elsewhere. Suddenly she saw a shadow and a few seconds later someone seized her, saying: While Lightoller claimed that he was unsure the davits and boats would not take the weight of the passengers, this meeting with Andrews is a fiction.
If he had informed the 2nd officer of the loading problem, it makes Lightoller even more callous to then continue loading boats with "women and children only" leaving empty spaces. Also, Andrews was helping to load boats at the forward starboard side of the boat deck, and these boats left half full. Why did Andrews not insist that more people enter these ones, rather than waiting for a while and arguing with Lightoller? Andrews comment that the boats had been tested in Belfast with the weight of 70 men is a puzzle and seems to come from an off-the-cuff statement by researcher Brian Ticehurst for the Arts and Entertainment Titanic documentary in the early s.
No-one can verify this. What we do know is that the testing was done with 65 people, and the boats performed well; in fact, if Edward Wilding is right, the boats were tested with the weight of 68 people and wanted them certified to carry this number but he was overruled by the Board of Trade who put them down as being or 65 people which is the number Wilding intially said in his testimony. It seems that Cameron had done his research based not on documentation but by watching old TV shows.
Thomas Andrews directions as to how to get to the Master-At-Arms office bears no relation to E deck on the real Titanic. He says, "Go to bottom, go to left, take crewman's passage, go right and left again at the stairs, you come to a long corridor Fortunately, on the real Titanic, it was fairly simple. Look at the following plan with the elevators and Master-At-Arms office indicated: When coming out of the elevators, there was no passageway to the left marked "crew passage.
The only other way, going down the 1st class corridor on the starboard side of the ship would be blocked at the end by a door that was shut fairly early on. The whole geography of E deck is screwed up. After escaping from the office, Jack'n'Rose force open a door They pass a foreign family, frantically flicking through a phrase book to translate a sign and much to this author's disgust, this scene of the family, desperate to escape but encumbered by the language barrier, provokes giggles and laughter at the cinema.
Another commentator has noted the confusion over ship's geography: They go down to E deck, which floods then they come back up to D to the locked gate, then escape to C deck just as D floods to the top. The 1st class dining salon extended across the entire width of the ship, so D deck was flooded to ceiling aft of 3rd funnel at the time they escaped below decks.
In reality, if the ship were flooded that high, only the stern would be sticking above water. The 'split' did not even show the water that high and far back in the ship. The camera pans down after the first distress rocket is fired, to show how far the ship has sunk.
In the very next scene, the camera tracks along the hull to show Jack peering out of the port. Oh, and incidentally, the foreign family is another bogus historical detail: Down by the head Jack's cell The window of the Master-At-Arms office is right on the waterline, putting it somewhere boat 1.
This is forward of boat 6, and also forward of the elevator that Rose uses to traverse to the lower level to find Jack. BUT Just after boat 6 starts to descend, we see a view of a dangling rope used to lower a lifeboat. Since boat 8, the second boat on the port side that left according to the British Inquiry, and which we see next to Ruth's boat when she is calling for her daughter, is not yet in the water, this must be the falls ropes for boat 6. The camera then pans down into the water, and we see the window to Jack's cell.
The downward angle or "trim" of the Titanic was not so great at this point, and since ropes dangle vertically, the window of the room must be below boat 6.
Which is much further aft than we saw before. Bill Sauder's excellent plans states that the Titanic's elevators actually had a bench that ran then width of the cab, with the control mechanism being on the same wall as the entrance gates on the left hand side as you enter ; he also has much smaller mirrors on either side of the cab, and denotes the dimensions as being 5. How many of these features by Sauder well known before Cameron's film is unknown; the Olympic elevator photograph certainly was.
Incidentally, the elevator cabs would not start to move until the interior gate was closed, which is not what we see when Rose orders the attendant to take her down to E deck. This was at approximately 1.
In Cameron's Titanic, "C" deck at the position of boat 4 was already underwater at 1am, which is the time corresponding to this screengrab. Incidentally, many survivors describe the water as being flat calm with not a ripple on the surface, unlike the film's depiction. Boats 6 and 8, also started rowing for the strange ship's light way just off the port bow and so would have rowed nearly parallel to the side of the ship, and not obliquely, as seen here.
Behind Bars These metal gates are called Bostwick Gates. If you believe Cameron's version, there were dozens of them used to separate the Third Class from the rest of the ship. In reality, the ship's plans reveal only a few sets of gates, both of them on E deck.
The first was on a forward staircase that would have flooded soon enough the impact. The other set was near the potato storage area, aft on this deck.
Surviving third class testimony may refer to small metal gates that led from the well decks to the higher decks, small waist-high barriers within the ship, or emergency doors at least two of which were open that night. There does not seem to have been wholesale discrimination against the third class, but there are isolated tales of passengers being kept below.
Admittedly there are a few references to locked gates inside the Titanic, as can be seen in the Centennial Reappraisal book, but these accounts are quite rare and some may be of dubious veracity; but the 3rd class areas certainly doesn't seem to have been festooned with these gates.
Now, before the fans say that Cameron got this right; this information about the gates was only discovered in the last few years. It certainly wasn't known about in when the film was being written and produced. So, what's the justification? Firstly, as boats 13 and 15 are lowered, there are far too many people on the deck; secondly, as boat 15 reaches A deck, passengers and crew left behind struggle to reach out and climb aboard. Neither of these two events occurred as far as we know.
It is hard to see, but both boats 13 and 15 seem to have between 20 and 30 people in them. Actually, they were among the most heavily laden boats of the night, with people on board. Then there is the lighting. The boat deck was some feet long, and was scarcely lit in places. If you were at the rear lifeboat stations, you would find it difficult to see the bow of the ship.
In fact, this overlighting problem is endemic to the whole film. An example is given here and lighting levels for the Titanic's sister, the Olympic, are given here. One foot candle is the illumination that one candle would produce at a distance of one foot. While not a gloomy dungeon, the ship was not as brilliantly lit as is often depicted. It was probably Lowe who said that he would shoot passengers "like dogs".
The officers threatened to shoot any man who put his foot into the boat. He fired the revolver, but either downward or upward, not shooting at any of the passengers at all and not injuring anybody.
He fired perfectly clear, upward or downward. That is why I yelled out to look out, and let go, bang, right along the ship's side," and he fired three shots horizontally along the length of the ship, one for each deck that he passed on which there were people eagerly spying the boat. The film's depiction is approximately correct. Incidentally, although Lowe could speak Welsh, he did not have a Welsh accent.
While we're on the subject of accents; Colonel Archibald Gracie is depicted in the film as British. He was actually American. It is lacking a forward partition as you can see right on this similar view of the entrance, albeit on the starboard side, on the Olympic. It is at this point that Jack'n'Rose meet Gracie, escorting Mrs.
But Gracie says he found them on the forward part of the starboard boat deck. What was he doing so far aft, and on the wrong side of the ship?
Also, Gracie should be wearing a lifejacket. He tore if off and threw it into the sea after he got on board boat 12, and regretted that he did not save it as a relic. The crowds, like so many in James Cameron's version, are wrong. Crewmen Scott and Ranger lowered themselves from the davits of boat 16, which can be seen in this scene.
Ranger said there was no one on deck when they went down the davits; Scott describes "a lot of firemen" there, but he is unclear as to where exactly they were. They were actually "socket signals", small metal cylinders that were launched by pulling on a firing lanyard. When the Quartermaster in charge of firing them left the Titanic, he said there were "some" left in a box that originally held The Chairman's place is in the boat Ismay is depicted as leaving the Titanic in a scene almost bereft of people.
However, research by this author indicates that there was a sizeable crowd surrounding this lifeboat and that shots were fired to quell the crowd. So sad Lightoller is depicted as firing a gun, but this only happened at boat D; this is actually boat 2 see below. Also, the officers seem intent on stopping passengers crossing from one side of the ship to the other via the bridge. What was the point at this stage in the sinking?
And besides, they let Irene Harris and her husband do the same minutes after this scene is set. Rose makes her decision However, many things are wrong with this scene. Initially, I thought this was boat "D", but researcher Chris Schrijvers informed me that the canvas sides of the collapsible are not pulled up.
Looking at this scene again, I noted that when boat "D" was lowered, the water was almost at A deck, but here we see the windows of B deck at least. This would indicate, as Chris says, that this is actually boat 2, even though he is not convinced this is an emergency cutter. A solution proposed by Chris is that, if this is boat 2, then the blooper above where rockets are seen exploding above Jack can be removed as the crew were still on the ship launching rockets when boat 2 departed.
The problem now is that we have collapsible C and Ismay leaving before boat 2 this is what the British Inquiry incorrectly determined in rather than some 15 minutes later.
And boat 4, which was launched after No. Who is to know what is right? A comment should be made about the lighting on A deck. Hugh Woolner went down and found three ladies whom he brought up to the boat deck but he could not be sure which class the ladies belonged to, as "it was not very light. Note how rapidly it floods probably because a scene involving Jack dispensing some much needed revenge on Lovejoy was thankfully excised. But everytime we return above decks, the water level although having risen between scenes, is never seen to rise as quickly as in the restaurant.
Its almost as if the inside of the Titanic is sinking, but the outside isn't. As stated above, We know from boat 4 that water was already up to "C" deck when that boat was lowered, and that the ocean was flooding into the open ports on that deck.
This scene was probably set about the time No. The location, number and spacing of the windows in the officer's quarters and 1st class area aft, are wrong. Yet again, we have problems with lights illuminating empty cabins the red squares indicate cabins that we know to be occupiedand doesn't anyone think about closing their curtains to prevent people from peering into someone's room?
Also, the design of the deck lights are wrong. As can be seen from the image below, the lights had a screen on their forward side. The ship also seems to be missing the forward expansion joint; gaps in the superstructure that allowed the ship to flex while at sea. These gaps were covered in rubber and were located aft of the doorway that can be seen in these screengrabs. An officer shooting passengers, and then himself? But solid research has shown that the story has a basis in fact; more debate is presented here.
In this author's eyes, the scene is inaccurate as it is slightly too serene and one witness said that shooting occurred as the last boat was leaving - which isn't the case in this scene at all. However, out of lost, only about bodies were found later. The lifeboat is shown a few minutes later as being loaded on the deck, but, as far as I can ascertain, this did not happen: Colonel Gracie recalls that, when he heard the sound of the water gurgling up the "hatchway" staircase?
In fact, from re-reading Gracie's account of who was in the area and what they were doing, it doesn't sound like the movie at all. The Kelvin Sounding Gear is missing from the set it had a proective wooden covering on the real Titanic to prevent it from damage. It should be positioned behind of, and to the left of the davit here, where the tangle of ropes is located. There was also one on the port side in the same location.
Hartley's body was reported to be wearing a brown overcoat when it was found; Jock Law's had on a light rain coat, and John Clarke had a grey overcoat. It seems that, based on the three out of 8 bodies recovered, the band probably wore what was to hand, and not a universal coat design as shown here. Benjamin Guggenheim and his manservant watch as third class passengers struggle to reach the grand staircase and the boat deck. Where were the passengers coming from? There was no stairway forward of this point that would have allowed them access to this part of the ship and besides, this area of the ship was already flooded.
And if they did get to this point, they would have to pass the grand staircase, or not notice that it went up another level! But Etches left in boat 5, the second one to leave, so Guggenheim's famous line must have been before this. At a time when everyone else was unconcerned about the Titanic, was the rich playboy privvy to secret information about the state of the ship or was he just displaying gallow's humour?
This same point applies to "A Night To Remember" too. Etches never said anything about this famous line when questioned at the US Inquiry; it only appears in the newspapers.
It is from a book about Thomas Andrews written by Shan Bullock in In it, he quotes an unnamed witness: The steward asked him, "Aren't you going to have a try for it, Mr. Indeed, Bullock's book mentions sightings of him after this, and later on in the area of the bridge.
The smoking room incident seems to have happened at about 1. A newspaper account unearthed c. Incidentally, Andrews is believe to have had a Northern Irish accent, not a broad Eire brogue. Oh, and the flooring for the set is wrong too. The film's smoking room seem to be carpetted, with some form of abstract patterning on it; the real Titanic had red and blue floor tiles. The dining saloon also had tiles rather than carpetting. This was well after artefact recovery expeditions to the wreck had uncovered fragments showing the type and pattern for flooring in these rooms.
So, why did Cameron decide to ignore the documented physical evidence? A carpetting company called BMK Stoddard claimed to have supplied the ships and that they still had the original patterns on file. It was only later that research showed that the company only had the pattenrts on file, not records, and while the carpet does look similar to the ones in the Olympic's lounge albeit brighter, for the sake of the camerasit is suspected that an ailing company saw a way to make money by hoodwinking Cameron.
Also, Andrews would not have been able to walk straight up to Rose with the lifejacket; on either side of the fireplace were curved sofas that extended about 9 feet into the smoking room.
Useless to anyone Captain Smith watches on as boat B is prepared for its departure despite it being upside down. In fact, Captain Smith had already jumped overboard at this point and besides, the boat deck was flooded by a rushing wave within seconds of the boat being pushed to the deck below. There was not a scene of mad chaos as the film depicts.
Watch carefully, as Lightoller superintends events while standing on top of the boat. In fact, he never left the roof of the officer's quarters unless you believe Victor Sunderland, whose account is drastically different from Lightoller's.
After boat B landed on the deck, he went to the starboard side to see if he could be of any help. The film shows Lightoller still on the boat deck as it goes under, and shows him cutting the "falls" lifeboat ropes and then limbering up one of the ropes funnel stays? Boat "B" was actually abandoned by this point, in reality; nothing could be done with it, and the water was on the deck anyway.