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Sign up for your free trial of Waldo contacts this December and receive a The Doctor (now on his 10th regeneration) and Rose Tyler have been . The early portions of Martha Jones' tenure are filled with I-have-to-kiss-you-for-the-story and. When the Doctor first met her in , Rose was a nineteen-year-old living on a London Meeting the Doctor again after Rose was still carrying the arm, The Doctor remembered Rose and felt guilty about what he had done to her, well. The War Doctor didn't know about Rose (or Bad Wolf) yet, but the Moment still took It's very possible he did this again; indeed several of the Eleventh Doctor's when she first meets him, and when he regenerates into Peter Davison. many lives, including children (a major thread in the Doctor's guilt over his.

The Doctor is sometimes very stubborn. Having multiple doctors in the same are causes time paradoxes, how does this work with so many in one episode? That's never been stated.

Crossing one's time stream is dangerous, but the Doctor's a professional, and as stated in "The Five Doctors" it is allowed only in the most extreme emergency. I would count an entire race's destruction as an extreme emergency. The Moment was in complete control over time, manipulating the time lock, crossing over all the Doctors' timelines, fixing their memories to prevent any contradictions, and sustaining any paradoxes. Where are the connections with the Master?

Not that I can see as we don't see mention of the Time Lords council and simply "the general". Also was wondering where President Rassilon is to be in this whole affair.

The General mentioned the high council had a mad plan, then mention it failed.

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Presumably Rassilon is now dead or in his next regeneration, after being blasted by the master. Who presumably was on Gallifrey when it disappeared. And knowing him is taking advantage of the chaos to steal himself another set of bodies. Wasn't it established that the Master was believed lost at some point before the end of the Time War? Yes, when he ran and hid at the end of the Universe TV: Then he was apparently taken back into the Time War when Gallifrey was returned there.

The End of Time As explained above and below I believe it's entirely possible that The End of Time is happening at the same moment. And, as pointed out by the Eleventh Doctor very early in the episode, Arcadia is Gallifrey's second city. I believe that Rassilon was fighting in the capital city of Gallifrey, which is why we don't see him. It is not about the bigger picture but about the Zygon plot: It is to assume they all entered the paintings and broke out before the doctor was called, how did they know when to do it?

How did the doctors know when to leave "Gallifrey falls no more" again? They were standing in the midst of the picture, with their backs to the glass, and shatter it almost immediately after. Why did they arrive exactly where they needed to? Or are they frozen in time - which leads me back to the question on how to know when to leave the pictures again? But when the doctor is brought to U.

T, the Zygons had already escaped and one had taken over the commander. Even if the Zygons knew of the doctors cell carving, they could not have known about the time travel device in the vault and therefore had no reason to call the doctor in in the first place, despite the letter.

Nicely elaborated but while the Undergallery is surely no place visited by lots of people, someone before the doctor must have wondered where the dust came from. Also, if they just had smashed the statues there would be broken limbs and pieces lying around - or the Zygons cleaned up in which case the could have cleaned the dust as well?

The only explanation would be that this literally happened hours before the doctor came in and that brings back the question why they would call him in at all instead of just taking over. The Zygons didn't "know" when to leave the paintings. Earth at the time was primitive, either they allowed an amount of time to allow Earth to develop to what they estimated would be a useful technological level or they were displaced in time and had a fair idea from their former knowledge when that would be.

The Doctors presumably had some means of identifying the historical moment they were in discussion with. They then set the painting to release them from stasis just after that moment.

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The painting suspend beings in time, they have no concept but the suggest is that the painting can be pre-programmed to release them. I'm not sure I entirely know what you're saying but the Doctor was primarily called in response to the painting being broken, it was set up like a chain of events that would summon the Doctor. The Zygons had nothing to do with it except that leaving their frames was set up as the trigger.

Remember as the Doctors were there when they went in they probably helped set it up. One had not taken over Kate, this happened when she was down there showing the Doctor what had happened. Kate called the Doctor as it was her brief to do so. I'm sure you're being silly but there doesn't need to be a body, it's a horse. Zygons need to sedate humans because humans are distinguishable to other humans and the original might give them away.

This wouldn't likely happen with an equine. Rassilon and his council knew that the Doctor possessed the Moment so attempted his crazy plan to become beings of pure consciousness - this didn't happen in The Day of the Doctor. Gallifrey did not move next to the Earth.

the doctor and rose meet again guilty

But both these events were on the last day of the Time War. The general just headed the war council he was only in charge of the military and strategic planning, the High Council was mentioned to have there own crazy plan, and it was later mentioned it failed.

So nothing's been contradicted, just reset. Basically, this is how it always went. This never happened in The Day of the Doctor. And then it was sent back. Presumably, this bit was offscreen: Alternatively destroying the process may have meant this bit was actually erased and never occurred in the time line.

The way I view this issue is that the high council Rassilon attempted this plan before all 13 doctors arrived. By the time all the doctors had arrived, the Tenth Doctor and the Master had already sent Gallifrey back into the Time War. This is backed up when the General on the War Council mentioned that the High Council were having an emergency session. There are no contradictions between this episode and "The End of Time".

At the beginning of "Day", the General and Androgar discuss the High Council being in emergency session "with plans of their own" the Ultimate Sanctionalthough the General dismisses their plans as having already failed however, this has to have been a metaphorical dismissal of their plans as being desperate and pointless, because the next thing that happens is the theft of the Moment, which happens before the Ultimate Sanction is enacted as evidenced by the Partisan saying that the Doctor still possessed the Moment during their session.

Then, once the War Doctor is removed from the Time War by the Moment, the High Council presumably enacts the Ultimate Sanction, which would have failed shortly before the three Doctors re-entered the War.

The displacement of Gallifrey would have taken place off-screen. And given that Day of the Doctor confirms that certain events are forgotten Doctors meeting themselves, etc it's very possible that a time reset of some sort made it appear as if the "Ultimate Sanction" never occurred. At least on Gallifrey. You're all forgetting one thing. The Doctors' plan was that when Gallifrey disappeared, the Daleks bombarding it would kill each other in the crossfire.

If Gallifrey had already disappeared once due to Rassilon's plan, how come the Daleks didn't wipe themselves out at that moment, instead of later?

the doctor and rose meet again guilty

We don't know how long it was gone relative to the Daleks' perspective - these are Time Lords after all, jumping the planet around in both Time and Space. It could have returned milliseconds after it left.

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Plus, we know that at some point the Daleks intensified their bombardment. If Gallifrey disappeared before it was that intense, the Daleks may have been able to avoid their own weapons fire.

the doctor and rose meet again guilty

Did all his previous incarnations forget that they had helped to save Gallifrey too? Yes, why should they be immune? This is mentioned as a consequence of being out of synch with his timestream.

The only exceptions would be the Eleventh and Twelfth Doctors. We do not know - and it is never stated - that the Eleventh Doctor was ever aware that the Twelfth Doctor was present.

Or if he did, presumably that aspect disappeared from his memory. How did the Doctors contact all their previous incarnations to get them to come and help? It shouldn't be that hard considering he has a time machine and knows exactly when they would be available. The audio series Destiny of the Doctors follows a similar thread, with the Eleventh Doctor contacting each of his former selves for help.

Don't forget the Moment's godlike control over all of time. How comes all of the Doctors were there on the cloud at the end? They were all looking up at Gallifrey, but surely if they remembered that they had all saved it then it wouldn't make sense because they didn't remember. It's a dream of Eleventh Doctor. In some of the spin-off media it is established that after a Doctor dies and regenerates, his essence "lives on" in the mind of the new Doctor. The previous Doctors can even speak to each other within the new Doctor's mind.

See also "The Name of the Doctor". Why were there two different versions of the Seventh Doctor shown on the screens at the War Council? Is this a production error? There couldn't have been two versions of him there as it is stated there is only thirteen of them there. I'd chalk it up to a production error. Likely a simple production error, but it could be explained away in-universe.

For example, the 7th Doctor may have arrived there, then realised he didn't have quite the right bit of calculation done to enact his part of the plan. Years later from his perspective he came back, but it was just seconds after his younger self had left. In his column in Doctor Who MagazineMoffat chides readers for not asking him about this. Which suggests it may have been intentional, though unexplained. Presumably they were destroyed by the Dalek bombardment.

Assuming that they were on Gallifrey at the time. Now hang on, are we really meant to believe that every well almost every Dalek in existence was destroyed when Gallifrey vanished?

If it's true that "A Dalek is a genius", then any genius knows not to put all their eggs in one basket, anyone got any ideas?

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The Daleks were very intent on winning the Time War. I can imagine that once they broke through the sky trenches of Arcadia, they wanted every single Dalek present in order to assure victory.

the doctor and rose meet again guilty

Not to mention the fact that they frequently let their personal hatred of Time Lords and especially the Doctor get the best of them. No this is actually a huge problem. Clearly Steven Moffat decided to dedicate his 50th Anniversary to this because being "Mr. Everybody Lives" he, quite understandably, wasn't best pleased with what Russell T. Davies had the Doctor do and opted to undo it. The problem is that Russell T. The expanded Donna did face her own ending or death. That consciousness, that personality, that self awareness that spend the time in the tardis with The Doctor is gone.

While she is not dead, the expanded Donna Noble might as well be. Then we see her one last time and she's small and petty again. She's making fun of her friends and talking behind their back. Think of it this way: All traces of amusement gone, the Doctor pulled back the duvet and knelt at her side.

She peered up at him through her hair and both his hearts turned over at her tear-stained cheeks and damp eyes. Of course you're not. No wonder she was goose bumped. He forced his thoughts away from that and tried to focus on where she could have been injured. Had she been hurt on their last adventure on Pampa 20?

He seemed to remember she was running from the mob far slower than usual. Or had she picked up a vortex virus? They'd been back to 19th century England only a few weeks ago, had she been infected with something that the TARDIS hadn't picked up; something that she hadn't been vaccinated against? His mind raced faster and faster until it was all he could do not to pick her up and race her to the infirmary.

Rose stared blearily at him and then her face turned red. It's obvious you're in pain. Of course she was a girl. He could see that very well—and was trying not to.

Did you hit your head? He sat back, understanding along with a healthy dose of embarrassment filling his face. The Doctor had saved worlds, saved entire civilisations, galaxies and, quite possibly, the universe, on occasion.

He had faced down danger with a smile on his face and a song in his heart the song was probably 'Oops I did it again' but still. He had maintained a calm demeanour in the event of his own death and hadn't even blinked on that unfortunate occasion on Orion's belt which he would never mention again without thinking of baby oil and grapes.

He had done all this without losing his legendary cool. But the sight of his favourite human in intense pain made him panic. Do you need hot water? I can do tea. Do you need tea? I'm not sure women from my planet even had them. Susan never mentioned it and it wasn't something Romana ever would have told me.

Feminism, yes; female problems, not so much. My back is throbbing and if I don't get some chocolate soon, one of us is going to die. Rose glared at the place where he had been, muttering about insensitive men and aliens before closing her eyes and wishing death on all men.